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Folding on the Nvidia GTX 1070

Overview

Folding@home is Stanford University’s charitable distributed computing project. It’s charitable because you can donate electricity, as converted into work through your home computer, to fight cancer, Alzheimer’s, and a host of other diseases.  It’s distributed, because anyone can run it with almost any desktop PC hardware.  But, not all hardware configurations are created equally.  If you’ve been following along, you know the point of this blog is to do the most work for as little power consumption as possible.  After all, electricity isn’t free, and killing the planet to cure cancer isn’t a very good trade-off.

Today we’re testing out Folding@home on an EVGA NVIDIA GTX 1070 graphics card.  This card offers a big step up in gaming and compute horsepower compared to the 1060 I reviewed previously, and is capable of pushing solid frame rates at 4K resolution. So, how well does it fold?

Card Specifications (Nvidia Reference Specs)

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Nvidia GTX 1070 Specifications

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EVGA Nvidia GTX 1070 ACX 3.0 (photo credit: EVGA)

FOLDING@HOME TEST SETUP

For this test I used my normal desktop computer as the benchmark machine.  Testing was done using Stanford’s V7 client on Windows 10 64-bit running FAH Core 21 work units.  The video driver version used was initially 388.59, and subsequently 372.90. Power consumption measurements reported in the charts were taken at the wall and are thus full system power consumption numbers.

If you’re interested in reading about the hardware configuration of my test rig, it is summarized in this post:

https://greenfoldingathome.com/2017/04/21/cpu-folding-revisited-amd-fx-8320e-8-core-cpu/

Information on my watt meter readings can be found here:

I Got a New Watt Meter!

Initial Testing and Troubleshooting

Like the GTX 1060, the 1070 uses Nvidia’s Pascal architecture, which is very efficient and has a reputation for solid compute performance. The 1070 has 50% more CUDA cores than the 1060, and with Folding@Home’s exponential points system (the quick return bonus gives you more points for doing work quickly), we should see roughly double the PPD of the 1060, which does 300 – 350 thousand PPD depending on the work unit. Based on various people’s experiences, and especially this forum post, I was expecting the 1070 to produce somewhere in the range of 600-700K PPD.

That wasn’t what happened. The card wasn’t exactly slow, but initial testing showed an estimated 450 to 550K PPD, as reported by the client. I ran it for a few days, since PPD can vary a good deal depending on the work unit, but the result was unfortunately the same. 550K PPD was about as much as my card would do.

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Initial GTX 1070 Results – 544K PPD

At first I thought it might be due to the card running hot. Unlike my test of a brand new 1060, I obtained my 1070 used off of eBay for a great price of $200 dollars + shipping. It was a little dusty, so I blew it all out and fired up MSI Afterburner to check out the temps. Unfortunately, the fans on the card weren’t even breaking a sweat, and it was nice and cool. Points didn’t increase.

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My Used EVGA GTX 1070 ACX 3.0 – eBay Price: $200

initial 1070 afterburner report

MSI Afterburner Report: NVidia GTX 1070, Stock Clocks, Driver 388.59

After doing some more digging, I ran across a few threads online that indicated the 1070 (along with a few other GTX models) don’t always boost up to their maximum clock rates for compute loads. Opening up a video, or Folding@home’s protein viewer, can sometimes force the card to clock up. I tried this and didn’t have any luck. My card was running at the stock clocks, and in fact the memory even appeared to be running 200 Megahertz below the 4000 Mhz reference clock rate. This suggested the card was in a low-power mode.

Thankfully, Nvidia’s System Management Interface tool can be used to see what is going on. This tool, which in Windows 10 lives in C:\Program Files\Nvidia Corporation, can be accessed by the command line. I followed the tutorial here to learn a few things about what my 1070 was doing. Although that write-up is geared at people mining for cryptocurrency, the steps are still releveant.

As can be seen here, my card was in the “P2” state, which is not the high-performance “P0” state. This is why the card wasn’t boosting, and why the memory clock seems diminished.

1070 performance state

Nvidia 1070 Performance State

Another feature of the Nvidia System Management Interface is the ability to get the power consumption at the card. This is measured by the driver, using the card’s hardware, and is the total instantaneous power the card is consuming (PCI slot power + supplemental power connections). As you can see, in the P2 state, the card is very rarely nearing the 150 watt TDP.

Now, this doesn’t necessarily mean the card would get closer to 150 watts in the P0 state. F@H does not utilize every portion of the graphics card, and it is expected that the power consumption would not be right at the limit. Still, these numbers seemed a bit low to me.

1070 card-level power consumption (before tuning)

1070 card-level power consumption (before tuning)

Overclocking Manually to Approximate P0 State

Unlike what was suggested in that crypto mining article, I wasn’t able to use the NVSMI tool to force a P0 state. For some reason, my NVSMI tool wouldn’t show me the available clock rate settings for my 1070. However, manual overclocking with a program such as MSI Afterburner is really easy. By maxing out the power limit and setting the core clock to a higher value, I can basically make the card run at its boost frequency, or higher.

First, I set the power limit to the maximum allowed (112%). Don’t worry, this won’t hurt anything. It is limited in the driver to not cause any damage. Basically, this will allow the card to sip a bit more electricity (albeit at a reduction of efficiency). For a card that was in the P0 state (say, running a video game), this would allow higher boost clocks.

Next, I started upping the core clock in increments of 100 Mhz. I didn’t run into any stability problems, and settled in on a core clock of 2000 Mhz (factory clock is 1506 Mhz / 1683 boost). Note that that factory boost number is deceiving, since the latest drivers will crank the GPU core up past 1900 MHz if there is power and voltage headroom. From what I read, many people can run the 1070 stable at 2050 Mhz without adding voltage.

I decided not to boost the voltage, and to stay 50 Mhz below that supposedly stable number, because it’s not worth risking the stability of Folding@home. We want accurate, repeatable science! Plus, dropping work units is much worse for PPD than running slightly below a card’s maximum capability.

I experimented with clocking the memory up from 3800 MHz to 4000 MHz (note it’s double data rate so this equates to 8000 MHz as reported by some programs). This didn’t seem to affect results. F@H has historically been fairly insensitive to memory clocks, and boosting memory too much can cause slowdowns due to the error-checking routines having to work harder to ensure clean results. Basically, everyone says it’s not worth it. I ran it at 4000 MHz long enough to confirm this (a day), then throttled it back down to 3800 MHz. The benefit here will be more power available for the GPU cores, which is what really counts for folding.

Here are my final overclock numbers. The card has been running with these clocks for a week and a half non-stop, with no stability issues:

final 1070 afterburner report

Overclocked Settings: +160 MHz Core, 112% Power Limit

Note the driver version as shown in the updated Afterburner screen shot is different…as it turns out, this can have a huge effect on F@H PPD. More on that in a moment.

Overclocking Result: An Extra 50,000 PPD

Running the core at 2012 MHz (+160 MHz boost from the P2 power state) and upping the card’s power limit by 12% made the average PPD, as observed over two days, climb from 500-550K PPD to 550K-600K PPD. So, that’s a 50,000 PPD increase for minimal effort. But, something still seemed off. At the time I was still running driver version 388.59, and one of the things I had discovered when searching around for 1070 tuning tips is that not all drivers are created equal.

Nvidia Driver 372.90: The Best Folding Driver for the GTX 1070

Nvidia has been updating drivers with more and more emphasis on gaming optimizations and less on compute. So, it makes sense that older drivers might actually offer better compute performance. There are many threads in the Folding@Home Hardware Forum discussing this, and one driver version that keeps being mentioned is 372.90. It’s a bit tricky to keep it installed on Windows 10, since Windows is always trying to push a newer version, but for my 24/7 folding rig, I installed it and simply never rebooted it in order to get a week’s worth of data.

This driver change alone seemed to also offer a 50,000 point boost. After running various core 21 work units, the GTX 1070’s PPD has stayed between 630,000 and 660,000. This is normal variation between work units, and I feel confident reporting a final PPD of 640K. As I write this, the client is estimating 660K PPD.

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Nvidia GTX 1070: 660K PPD on Project 13815 (Core 21)

This is an excellent result. It’s twice the PPD of the GTX 1060, although eking out that last 100K PPD took a manual overclock plus a driver “update” to an older version.

Now, for the fun part. Efficiency! This 1070 is rated at 150 watts, which is only 30 watts more than the 1060. So we are supposedly doing 100% more science for Stanford University, and for a meager 25% increase in power consumption. Time to bust out the watt meter and find out!

Power Consumption at the Wall

Using my P3 Kill-A-Watt Power Meter, I measured the total system power consumption. This is the same way I measure all of my graphics cards (as opposed to estimating the card’s power by the TDP or using the video card driver to spit out instantaneous card power). The reason is that I like to have a full-system view, factoring in the power usage of my CPU, main board, and RAM, all essential components to keep the card happy.

While folding with the GTX 1070, my system’s total power draw varied between 225 and 230 watts. I’m going to go with 227 watts as the average power number. 

Efficiency

Computing computational efficiency as Points Per Day (PPD) / Power (Watts) gives:

640,000 PPD / 227 Watts = 2820 PPD/Watt.

Conclusion

The Nvidia GTX 1070 is a very efficient card for running Stanford’s Folding@Home Distributed Computing Project. The trend established in my previous articles seems to be continuing, namely that the more expensive high-end video cards are more efficient, despite their higher power draw. In this case of the 1070, some manual overclocking was needed to unlock the full PPD potential. As proven by many others, the default drivers weren’t very good, but the 372.90 drivers really opened it up.

Base PPD: 550,000

Tuned PPD (drivers + overclock) = 640,000

PPD/Watt(@wall) = 2820

1070 ppd plot

Nvidia GTX 1070 Performance Comparison

1070 efficiency plot

Nvidia 1070 Efficiency Comparison

As a final note, this post focused more on PPD than efficiency, since for much of the testing my watt meter was not installed (my kids keep playing with it). At some point in the future, I’ll do an article where I tune one of these cards to find the best efficiency point. This will likely be at a lower power limit than 100%, with perhaps a slight reduction in clock rate.

Folding on the NVidia GTX 1060

Overview

Folding@home is Stanford University’s charitable distributed computing project. It’s charitable because you can donate electricity, as converted into work through your home computer, to fight cancer, Alzheimer, and a host of other diseases.  It’s distributed, because anyone can run it with almost any desktop PC hardware.  But, not all hardware configurations are created equally.  If you’ve been following along, you know the point of this blog is to do the most work for as little power consumption as possible.  After all, electricity isn’t free, and killing the planet to cure cancer isn’t a very good trade-off.

Today we’re testing out Folding@home on EVGA’s single-fan version of the NVIDIA GTX 1060 graphics card.  This is an impressive little card in that it offers a lot of gaming performance in a small package.  This is a very popular graphics card for gamers who don’t want to spend $400+ on GTX 1070s and 1080s.  But, how well does it fold?

Card Specifications

Manufacturer:  EVGA
Model #:  06G-P4-6163
Model Name: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SC GAMING (Single Fan)
Max TDP: 120 Watts
Power:  1 x PCI Express 6-pin
GPU: 1280 CUDA Cores @ 1607 MHz (Boost Clock of 1835 MHz)
Memory: 6 GB GDDR5
Bus: PCI-Express X16 3.0
MSRP: $269

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EVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 (photo by EVGA)

Folding@Home Test Setup

For this test I used my normal desktop computer as the benchmark machine.  Testing was done using Stanford’s V7 client on Windows 7 64-bit running FAH Core 21 work units.  The video driver version used was 381.65.  All power consumption measurements were taken at the wall and are thus full system power consumption numbers.

If you’re interested in reading about the hardware configuration of my test rig, it is summarized in this post:

https://greenfoldingathome.com/2017/04/21/cpu-folding-revisited-amd-fx-8320e-8-core-cpu/

Information on my watt meter readings can be found here:

I Got a New Watt Meter!

FOLDING@HOME TEST RESULTS – 305K PPD AND 1650 PPD/WATT

The Nvidia GTX 1060 delivers the best Folding@Home performance and efficiency of all the hardware I’ve tested so far.  As seen in the screen shot below, the native F@H client has shown up to 330K PPD.  I ran the card for over a week and averaged the results as reported to Stanford to come up with the nominal 305K Points Per Day number.  I’m going to use 305 K PPD in the charts in order to be conservative.  The power draw at the wall was 185 watts, which is very reasonable, especially considering this graphics card is in an 8-core gaming rig with 16 GB of ram.  This results in a F@H efficiency of about 1650 PPD/Watt, which is very good.

Screen Shot from F@H V7 Client showing Estimated Points per Day:

1060 TI Client

Nvidia GTX 1060 Folding @ Home Results: Windows V7 Client

Here are the averaged results based on actual returned work units

(Graph courtesy of http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/)

1060 GTX PPD History

NVidia 1060 GTX Folding PPD History

Note that in this plot, the reported results previous to the circled region are also from the 1060, but I didn’t have it running all the time.  The 305K PPD average is generated only from the work units returned within the time frame of the red circle (7/12 thru 7/21)

Production and Efficiency Plots

Nvidia 1060 PPD

NVidia GTX 1060 Folding@Home PPD Production Graph

Nvidia 1060 PPD per Watt

Nvidia GTX 1060 Folding@Home Efficiency Graph

Conclusion

For about $250 bucks (or $180 used if you get lucky on eBay), you can do some serious disease research by running Stanford University’s Folding@Home distributed computing project on the Nvidia GTX 1060 graphics card.  This card is a good middle ground in terms of price (it is the entry-level in NVidia’s current generation of GTX series of gaming cards).  Stepping up to a 1070 or 1080 will likely continue the trend of increased energy efficiency and performance, but these cards cost between $400 and $800.  The GTX 1060 reviewed here was still very impressive, and I’ll also point out that it runs my old video games at absolute max settings (Skyrim, Need for Speed Rivals).  Being a relatively small video card, it easily fits in a mid-tower ATX computer case, and only requires one supplemental PCI-Express power connector.  Doing over 300K PPD on only 185 watts, this Folding@home setup is both efficient and fast. For 2017, the NVidia 1060 is an excellent bang-for-the-buck Folding@home Graphics Card.

Request: Anyone want to loan me a 1070 or 1080 to test?  I’ll return it fully functional (I promise!)

Folding@Home on the Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 TI: Extended Testing

Hi again.  Last week, I looked at the performance and energy efficiency of using an Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 TI to run Stanford’s charitable distributed computing project Folding@home.  The conclusion of that study was that the GTX 1050 TI offers very good Points Per Day (PPD) and PPD/Watt energy efficiency.  Now, after some more dedicated testing, I have a few more thoughts on this card.

Average Points Per Day

In the last article, I based the production and efficiency numbers on the estimated completion time of one work unit (Core 21), which resulted in a PPD of 192,000 and an efficiency of 1377 PPD/Watt.  To get a better number, I let the card complete four work units and report the results to Stanford’s collection server.  The end result was a real-world performance of 185K PPD and 1322 PPD/Watt (power consumption is unchanged at 140 watts @ the wall).  These are still very good numbers, and I’ve updated the charts accordingly.  It should be noted that this still only represents one day of folding, and I am suspicious that this PPD is still on the high end of what this card should produce as an average.  Thus, after this article is complete, I’ll be running some more work units to try and get a better average.

Folding While Doing Other Things

Unlike the AMD Radeon HD 7970 reviewed here, the Nvidia GTX 1050 TI doesn’t like folding while you do anything else on the machine.  To use the computer, we ended up pausing folding on multiple occasions to watch videos and browse the internet.  This results in a pretty big hit in the amount of disease-fighting science you can do, and it is evident in the PPD results.

Folding on a Reduced Power Setting

Finally, we went back to uninterrupted folding on the card, but at a reduced power setting (90%, set using MSI Afterburner).  This resulted in a 7 watt reduction of power consumption as measured at the wall (133 watts vs. 140 watts).  However, in order to produce this reduction in power, the graphics card’s clock speed is reduced, resulting in more than a performance hit.  The power settings can be seen here:

GTX 1050 Throttled

MSI Afterburner is used to reduce GPU Power Limit

Observing the estimated Folding@home PPD in the Windows V7 client shows what appears to be a massive reduction in PPD compared to previous testing.  However, since production is highly dependent on the individual projects and work units, this reduction in PPD should be taken with a grain of salt.

GTX 1050 V7 Throttled Performance

In order to get some more accurate results at the reduced power limit, we let the machine chug along uninterrupted for a week.  Here is the PPD production graph courtesy of http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/

GTX 1050 Extended Performance Testing

Nvidia GTX 1050 TI Folding@Home Extended Performance Testing

It appears here that the 90% power setting has caused a significant reduction in PPD. However, this is based on having only one day’s worth of results (4 work units) for the 100% power case, as opposed to 19 work units worth of data for the 90% power case. More testing at 100% power should provide a better comparison.

Updated Charts (pending further baseline testing)

GTX 1050 PPD Underpowered

Nvidia GTX 1050 PPD Chart

GTX 1050 Efficiency Underpowered

Nvidia GTX 1050 TI Efficiency

As expected, you can contribute the most to Stanford’s Folding@home scientific disease research with a dedicated computer.  Pausing F@H to do other tasks, even for short periods, significantly reduces performance and efficiency.  Initial results seem to indicate that reducing the power limit of the graphics card significantly hurts performance and efficiency.  However, there still isn’t enough data to provide a detailed comparison, since the initial PPD numbers I tested on the GTX 1050 were based on the results of only 4 completed work units.  Further testing should help characterize the difference.

CPU Folding Revisited: AMD FX-8320E 8-Core CPU

In the last article, I made the statement that running Stanford’s Folding@home distributed computing project on CPUs is a planet-killing waste of electricity.  Well, perhaps I didn’t say it in such harsh terms, but that was basically the point.  Graphics cards, which are massively multi-threaded by design, offer much more computational power for molecular dynamics solutions than traditional desktop processors.  More importantly, they do more science per watt of electricity consumed.

If you’ve been following along, you’ve probably noticed that the processors I’ve been playing around with are relatively elderly (if you are still using a Core2 anything, you might consider upgrading).  In this article, I’m going to take a look at a much newer processor, AMD’s Vishera-based 8-core FX-8320e.  This processor, circa 2015, is the newest piece of hardware I currently have (although as promised in the previous article, I’ve got a brand new graphics card on the way).  The 8-core FX-8320e is a bit of a departure for AMD in terms of power consumption.  While many of their high end processors are creeping north of 125 watts in TDP, this model sips a relatively modest (for an 8-core) 95 watts of power.  As shown previously here, with more cores, F@H efficiency increases along with overall performance.  The 8320e chip should be no exception.

Processor Specs:

  • Designation: AMD FX-8320e
  • Architecture: Vishera
  • Socket: AM3+
  • Manufacturing Process: 32 nm
  • # Cores: 8
  • Clock Speed: 3.2 GHz (4.0 Turbo)
  • TDP: 95 Watts

Side Note: As many will undoubtedly mention, this processor isn’t really a true 8-core in the sense that each pair of cores shares one Floating Point Unit, whereas an ideal 8-core CPU would have 1 FPU per core.  So, it will be interesting to see how this processor does against a true 1 to 1 processor such as the 1100T (six FPUs, reviewed here).

All of my power readings are at the plug, so the host system plays a part in the overall efficiency numbers reported.  Here is the configuration of my current test computer, for reference:

Test Setup Specs:

  • CPU: AMD FX-8320e
  • Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-880GMA-USB3
  • GPU: Sapphire Radeon 7970 HD
  • Ram: 16 GB DDR3L (low voltage)
  • Power Supply: Seasonic X-650 80+ Gold
  • Drives: 1x SSD, 2 x 7200 RPM HDDs, Blu-Ray Burner
  • Fans: 1x CPU, 2 x 120 mm intake, 1 x 120 mm exhaust, 1 x 80 mm exhaust
  • OS: Win7 64 bit

Folding Results

Since I’ve been out of CPU folding for a while, I had to run through 10 CPU work units in order to be eligible to start getting Stanford’s quick return bonus (extra points received for doing very fast science).  You can see the three regions on the plot.  The first region is GPU-only folding on the 7970.  The second region is CPU-only folding on the FX-8320e prior to the bonus points being awarded.  The third region is CPU-only folding with QRB bonus points.  Credit for the graph goes to http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/.

Radeon 7970 GPU vs AMD FX 8320e CPU Folding@home Performane

An 8-core processor is no match for a graphics card with 2048 Shaders!

The 8-core AMD chip averages about 20K PPD when doing science on the older A4 core. Stanford’s latest A7 core, which supports Advanced Vector Extensions, returns about 30K PPD on the processor.  In either case, this is well short of the 150K PPD on the graphics card, which is also about three years older than the CPU!  Clearly, if your goal is doing the most science, the high-end graphics card trumps the processor.  (Update note: Intel’s latest processors such as the 6900X have been shown to return in excess of 120K PPD on the A7 core.  This makes CPUs relevant again for folding, but not as relevant as modern high-end graphics cards, which can return up to a million PPD!  I’ll have more articles on these later, I think…)

Efficiency Numbers

I used both HFM.net and the local V7 client to obtain an estimated PPD for the A7 core work unit, which should represent about the highest PPD achievable on the FX-8320e in stock trim.

FX 8320e PPD Performance

According to the watt meter, my system is drawing about 160 watts from the wall.  So, 29534 PPD / 160 watts is 185 PPD/Watt.  Here’s how this stacks up with the hardware tested so far.

Folding@Home Performance Table with AMD 8320e

Conclusion

Even though the Radeon HD 7970 was released 3 years earlier than AMD’s flagship line of 8-core processors, it still trounces the CPU in terms of Folding@home performance. Efficiency plots show the same story.  If you are interested in turning electricity into disease research, you’d be better off using a high-end graphics card than a high-end processor.  I hope to be able to illustrate this with higher end, modern hardware in the future.

As a side note, the FX-8320e is the most efficient folder of the processors tested so far. Although not half as fast as the latest Intel offerings, it has performed well for me as a general multi-tasking processor.  Now, if only I could get my hands on a new CPU, such as a Kaby Lake or a Ryzen (any one want to donate one to the cause?)…